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Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 13:08 BST-1
From: ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ofir Gal)
Subject: Re: app_defs.sys
To: gem-list@world.std.com
Message-Id: <memo.820730@cix.compulink.co.uk>
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In message <Pine.3.87.9407292201.A22510-0100000@grad>, millert@cs.csee.usf.edu said:
>]
>]Because there's an overwhelming majority saying the opposite?
>
>Do you know that for sure? And why are they saying the opposite?
>Because they haven't been plagued by this problem and they're too
>short-sighted to see that a great many of other people HAVE.
We must be a bunch of extremely lucky people who have not been oplagued by
this problem. There was a 97% majority against you last time I looked. And
I don't think it's surprising. In fact, if there was a majority otherwise
I would have unsubscribed as such a result would go totalloy against the
idea of this mail list.
>Huh? How will that help? The whole problem is that GEM is too slow...
>it has nothing to do with baud rates.
Try *reading* the HSModem docs.
sjg@phlem.ph.kcl.ac.uk said:
>
>> > KEYS
>> > *.*.*.*.*.*.
>> > etc...
>> >
>> Not sure I like this, but that's quite possibly because I'm biased towards
>> the .Xdefaults style. Given I can't come up with a concrete objection I guess
>> you should just ignore me ;-)
>
>I'm not sure it's as flexible as the .Xdefaults way of doing things. What about
>when you want to specify something for your app (eg: the corpse-offering that
>Warwick does :-) that is outside the definitions ?
Then it should be in the Prefernce dialog of his program. It has no place
in this file.
>At which point, writing individual app defaults files becomes easier as well.
>You don't mess with the defaults file, but you're allowed to change your own.
>Of course, the file format in both should be the same. I think X actually
>has different file formats for the individual files, they are effectively
>specified as having no <application> (first) field, and the name of the file
>is prepended to all the entries. I can't actually see the point of this.
What do we need this for? Why can't apps just save their defaults to their
own directories? Why create options that are just not needed? These ideas
will create total chaos with 'normal' users. I find it interesting that
these ideas come from people who use MiNT, Unix, etc. You are totally out
of touch with the majority of ST users. You only need to man the Atari
helpline once and you will realise how bad these ideas are.
I speak to hundreds of users through the Atari ST Review helpline - none of
them uses MiNT, most do not even know what it is. A complex app-defs file
like you are suggesting is a recipe for dissaster for these users.
I will personally not vote for any file format that goes beyond reassigning
keyboard shortcuts AT THIS STAGE.
mforget@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca said:
>
>Why not both? It would only take a few extra minutes to write
>pseudo-code.
Fine with me.
>On this point I disagree. Per-application is vital, for exactly the
>reason that was mentioned. If you want a feature in one program, but
>not in another, you need it. If you want keypresses for unique
>options in a program, you need per-application configuration.
>
>>I hope you are wrong. I don't think any app should write to the file, only
>>read.
>
>Yes, the APP_DEFS.SYS file should be read-only for applications. (Except
>the editor that creates it, of course...)
And how will the editor know about the exisitance of app specific keys and
options?
>>Why not save them the same way they are displayed in the menu? ^Q, etc.
>
>Only printable characters should be used in the file. I am not sure if
Why? I have no intention of printing the file! It will make it much
simpler to parse the file if it contains the same characters that are
shown in the menu items.
>you can't type those characters easily in most editors. Much better to
That is why we are going to have a GEM util to edit the config file. At
any rate, press ALT+ASCII code to enter any ascii char you want.
Bye,
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