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- Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 13:08 BST-1
- From: ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ofir Gal)
- Subject: Re: app_defs.sys
- To: gem-list@world.std.com
- Message-Id: <memo.820730@cix.compulink.co.uk>
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- In message <Pine.3.87.9407292201.A22510-0100000@grad>, millert@cs.csee.usf.edu said:
- >]
- >]Because there's an overwhelming majority saying the opposite?
- >
- >Do you know that for sure? And why are they saying the opposite?
- >Because they haven't been plagued by this problem and they're too
- >short-sighted to see that a great many of other people HAVE.
-
- We must be a bunch of extremely lucky people who have not been oplagued by
- this problem. There was a 97% majority against you last time I looked. And
- I don't think it's surprising. In fact, if there was a majority otherwise
- I would have unsubscribed as such a result would go totalloy against the
- idea of this mail list.
-
- >Huh? How will that help? The whole problem is that GEM is too slow...
- >it has nothing to do with baud rates.
-
- Try *reading* the HSModem docs.
-
-
- sjg@phlem.ph.kcl.ac.uk said:
- >
- >> > KEYS
- >> > *.*.*.*.*.*.
- >> > etc...
- >> >
- >> Not sure I like this, but that's quite possibly because I'm biased towards
- >> the .Xdefaults style. Given I can't come up with a concrete objection I guess
- >> you should just ignore me ;-)
- >
- >I'm not sure it's as flexible as the .Xdefaults way of doing things. What about
- >when you want to specify something for your app (eg: the corpse-offering that
- >Warwick does :-) that is outside the definitions ?
-
- Then it should be in the Prefernce dialog of his program. It has no place
- in this file.
-
- >At which point, writing individual app defaults files becomes easier as well.
- >You don't mess with the defaults file, but you're allowed to change your own.
- >Of course, the file format in both should be the same. I think X actually
- >has different file formats for the individual files, they are effectively
- >specified as having no <application> (first) field, and the name of the file
- >is prepended to all the entries. I can't actually see the point of this.
-
- What do we need this for? Why can't apps just save their defaults to their
- own directories? Why create options that are just not needed? These ideas
- will create total chaos with 'normal' users. I find it interesting that
- these ideas come from people who use MiNT, Unix, etc. You are totally out
- of touch with the majority of ST users. You only need to man the Atari
- helpline once and you will realise how bad these ideas are.
-
- I speak to hundreds of users through the Atari ST Review helpline - none of
- them uses MiNT, most do not even know what it is. A complex app-defs file
- like you are suggesting is a recipe for dissaster for these users.
-
- I will personally not vote for any file format that goes beyond reassigning
- keyboard shortcuts AT THIS STAGE.
-
-
- mforget@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca said:
- >
- >Why not both? It would only take a few extra minutes to write
- >pseudo-code.
-
- Fine with me.
-
- >On this point I disagree. Per-application is vital, for exactly the
- >reason that was mentioned. If you want a feature in one program, but
- >not in another, you need it. If you want keypresses for unique
- >options in a program, you need per-application configuration.
- >
- >>I hope you are wrong. I don't think any app should write to the file, only
- >>read.
- >
- >Yes, the APP_DEFS.SYS file should be read-only for applications. (Except
- >the editor that creates it, of course...)
-
- And how will the editor know about the exisitance of app specific keys and
- options?
-
- >>Why not save them the same way they are displayed in the menu? ^Q, etc.
- >
- >Only printable characters should be used in the file. I am not sure if
-
- Why? I have no intention of printing the file! It will make it much
- simpler to parse the file if it contains the same characters that are
- shown in the menu items.
-
- >you can't type those characters easily in most editors. Much better to
-
- That is why we are going to have a GEM util to edit the config file. At
- any rate, press ALT+ASCII code to enter any ascii char you want.
-
- Bye,
-
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